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Why didn’t you test that? Podcast | episode 25

How to build a successful QA team

 

The people, process and technology for success

Welcome to episode 25 of the Why Didn’t You Test That? Podcast. In this episode, Rich Jordan and Ben Riley are joined by special guest Natalie Cole, a Software QE Manager and Quality Advocate. Together, they discuss the people, processes, and technology involved in building a successful QA team!

 

 

Natalie Cole, starts the discussion by sharing her experience managing a team of 10 QAs and software engineers. She highlights the importance of people, process, and technology in building a successful team.

Natalie emphasizes the need for the right people with the right skills and work ethics, implementing best practices and processes, and utilizing the right technologies. She also discusses the challenges of shifting towards a test pyramid approach and the importance of involving QA in all phases of the software development life cycle.

Natalie advocates for QA and emphasizes the financial and brand benefits of quality testing. The most important aspect for Natalie is catching the majority of defects in QA before critical defects reach production. She emphasizes the importance of conducting root cause analysis and post-mortems to understand and prevent defects. Rich Jordan adds that psychological safety is crucial in using metrics effectively and avoiding blame.

The conversation also covers Natalie’s approach to hiring, focusing on work ethic and asking detailed questions about past projects. Natalie also mentions the importance of self-education and staying up-to-date with industry trends.

The team also touches on the benefits of practising Behaviour Driven Development (BDD) and the importance of communication and collaboration in eliminating defects early. Natalie advises QE managers to believe in themselves, understand their leadership style, and continuously improve their processes.

Watch the full episode to learn more!

      

01:50 Building the Right Team and Implementing Best Practices

07:24 Implementing the Test Pyramid and Catching Defects Early

11:08 The Challenges of Implementing the Test Pyramid

13:00 Shifting QA Left and Advocating for QA

18:05 Changing Internal Views of Quality

23:28 Measuring QA Effectiveness with Metrics

25:00 Preventing Critical Defects in QA

27:50 Assessing Work Ethic in Hiring

30:55 Understanding how users use your Software

32.48 Keeping up with QA Technology Developments

35:00 Involving QA Early in the Software Development Lifecycle

39:00 Practising BDD & the 3 Amigos

43:22 Continuous Improvement and Innovation in QA

Hosts and guests

Ben Riley - Curiosity Software

Ben Riley - Chief Product Officer

Ben brings over 15 years of DevOps and Continuous Testing experience, having worked worldwide to remove bottlenecks in enterprise DevOps pipelines.

Rich Jordan - Curiosity Software

Rich Jordan - Enterprise Solution Architect

Rich Jordan has reached over 20 years in testing, mainly within complex financial services environments. 

Natalie Cole - QA Team Manager

Natalie Cole - Software QE Manager

A passionate and driven Software Quality Engineering Manager with a track record of delivering robust quality applications in software development projects. 

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