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Why didn’t you test that? Podcast | episode 26

Organisational challenges in defining quality

 

Measuring software quality

Welcome to episode 18 of the Why Didn’t You Test That? Podcast. In this episode, Curiosity's Rich Jordan and James Walker, are joined by Chris Harbert, Founder & CEO of Testery. Together, they discuss organisational challenges in defining quality and the impact of AI on quality efforts.

 

 

James Walker kicked the conversation off with a key question, who actually owns quality at your organisation? Quality is essential in software delivery, and collaboration between developers and testers is crucial for achieving quality. Building a mutual respect and involvement in bug fixes can bridge the gap between testers and developers, and improve overall product quality. But can this lead to the ‘bystander effect’, in which no one seems to be responsible for quality?

Chris Harbert points out that legacy systems are forcing organisations to adress their technical debt and complexity in order to improve their quality standards. Having a clear plan, architectural overview, and leveraging test automation can help untangle legacy systems and pave the way for better quality practices. This can enhance testability and reduce toil during sprints.

Rich Jordan brings up another key question: How do you measure quality and what metrics do you use? Key metrics include bug discovery rates, test coverage, customer satisfaction scores, and support team efforts. These metrics provide insights into the effectiveness of quality initiatives and highlight areas for improvement.

Finally, Chris and James consider the impact of AI on current organisational testing efforts. Generative AI and non-deterministic behaviour may complicate testing, so requiring skilled testers is paramount to ensure you’re in line with organisational quality objectives, meeting customer expectations, and also providing a good user experience.

Watch the full episode to learn more!

      

01:56 What is quality?

03:09 Owning quality and de-risking releases

08:51 The test selection problem

10:15 Early adopters of agile

15:50 QA collabs: dev and testing

22:08 A mission to bring back quality

24:25 Business case for quality

31:38 Advice for becoming agile

35:41 System architecture and QA

38:33 Legacy 'Characterization Tests'

42:15 AI: accelerator and auto-pilot?

Hosts and guests

James Walker - Curiosity Software CEO

James Walker - Co-Founder & CEO

James Walker is the Co-Founder and CEO of Curiosity Software, where he works with a range of organisations to identify and resolve their quality needs.

Rich Jordan - Curiosity Software

Rich Jordan - Enterprise Solution Architect

Rich Jordan has reached over 20 years in testing, mainly within complex financial services environments. 

Chris Harbert - Testery CEO

Chris Harbert - CEO & Founder

With Testery, Chris helps teams ship software, get Started with test automation, migrate testing frameworks, and optimize existing test runs. 

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